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Over a Crest, Through a Dip

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Normal force over a crest and in a dip
Look around
The back seat of a bus on a hilly road

A bus runs quickly along a rolling road in the Nilgiri hills. At the top of each rise, the children on the back seat lift a little off their seats and laugh; their stomachs seem to float. At the bottom of each dip they are pressed hard into the seat, and the bus groans on its springs. The speed of the bus hardly changes. Nobody pushed the children up or down. Yet the seat pushes on them with very different forces at the top and at the bottom.

you will be able to find the push of the seat on a passenger at the top of a hump and at the bottom of a dip, and the speed at which the bus would leave the road.

A road that curves up and down

Take a car moving at a steady speed \(v\) along a road that rises into a hump and then falls into a dip. The speed does not change, but the direction of the velocity does, because the path is curved. So the car accelerates towards the centre of the curve it is on at that moment. Over a hump that centre lies below the road. In a dip it lies above the road.

Look first at the very top of a hump of radius \(R\). Two forces act on the car along the vertical: its weight \(mg\) down, and the normal force \(N\) of the road up. Both lie along the radius. The engine and the brakes act along the road, so they do not enter the equation along the radius. The centre is below, so take downwards as positive.

Deriving \(N = mg - \dfrac{mv^2}{R}\) step 1 of 3
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\[ mg - N = F_{\text{in}} \]

Why. the net force towards the centre, which is below the car, is the weight minus the upward normal force.

At the bottom of a dip, the centre is above the car. Now the net force must point upwards, so the normal force must be larger than the weight: \(N - mg = mv^2/R\). The road pushes on the car with more than its weight. Over a hump the road pushes with less.

RememberNormal force at the top of a hump and the bottom of a dip
\[ N_{\text{top}} = mg - \dfrac{mv^2}{R}, \qquad N_{\text{bottom}} = mg + \dfrac{mv^2}{R} \]
Holds whena vehicle moving at speed \(v\) at the highest point of a hump, or the lowest point of a dip, of radius of curvature \(R\). The top formula holds only while it gives \(N \ge 0\).
Symbols\(N\) normal force of the road, \(m\) mass of the vehicle, \(g\) acceleration due to gravity, \(v\) speed, \(R\) radius of curvature of the road at that point
Units\(N\) in N, \(v\) in m/s, \(R\) in m

The scale inside

Put a weighing scale on the seat and let a passenger sit on it. The scale reads the push it gives the passenger, divided by \(g\). This is the passenger's apparent weight, exactly as in the lift of the chapter on accelerated objects. The same two formulas hold for the passenger alone, with the passenger's mass. So the reading falls over a hump and rises in a dip.

A car over a hump and through a dip at a steady speedA car drives at a steady speed over a hump and then through a dip, both of radius 20 metres. The weight mg of the car is always the same. The normal force N of the road is smaller than mg over the hump and larger than mg in the dip, and a readout gives the reading of a weighing scale under a 60 kilogram passenger. Chips choose 5, 10 and 12 metres per second. At 10 metres per second the scale reads 30 kilograms at the top of the hump and 90 kilograms at the bottom of the dip.car, side view (silhouette) N mg N = 0.72 mg, the scale reads 43 kg
Fig 2.1Choose a speed and press play. A car drives at a steady speed over a hump and through a dip, both of radius \(20\,\text{m}\). The weight \(mg\) never changes. The normal force \(N\) is shorter than \(mg\) over the hump and longer in the dip. The readout gives the scale reading under a \(60\,\text{kg}\) passenger. At \(10\,\text{m/s}\) it reads \(30\,\text{kg}\) at the top of the hump and \(90\,\text{kg}\) at the bottom of the dip.

Check the numbers of the figure at \(10\,\text{m/s}\). The centripetal acceleration is \(v^2/R = 100/20 = 5\,\text{m/s}^2\), half of \(g\). At the top, \(N = m(g - 5) = mg/2\), so the scale shows half of \(60\,\text{kg}\). At the bottom, \(N = m(g + 5) = 1.5\,mg\), so it shows \(90\,\text{kg}\). At \(5\,\text{m/s}\) the change is only a quarter as large, and at \(12\,\text{m/s}\) it is larger still.

Watch the arrow on the sides of the hump, too. There it is even shorter than at the top. On a slope the weight is tilted from the radius, so only part of it, \(mg\cos\phi\), points towards the centre, where \(\phi\) is the tilt of the road. The road need push only \(mg\cos\phi - mv^2/R\). This is why a car driven fast at a steady speed first loses its grip where the hump begins, not only at its top.

Intuition

A real road is not made of circles. It does not matter. At every point, a curved road has a radius of curvature, the radius of the circle that fits it best there. The chapter on the kinematics of circular motion showed how to find it. Use that radius in the same formulas. A sharp crest has a small radius and a large effect. A gentle one has a large radius and a small effect.

ExampleA car on a rolling highway

A car of mass \(1000\,\text{kg}\) moves at a steady \(15\,\text{m/s}\). It passes the top of a hump and then the bottom of a dip, each of radius of curvature \(50\,\text{m}\). Take \(g = 10\,\text{m/s}^2\). Find the normal force on the car at each point.

Try it on paper first. The solution is one tap away when you are ready.
Checkpoint · numericUnanswered

A \(50\,\text{kg}\) student sits on a weighing scale in a car. The car passes the bottom of a dip of radius \(25\,\text{m}\) at \(10\,\text{m/s}\). Take \(g = 10\,\text{m/s}^2\). What does the scale read, in kilograms?

kg± 2 %
CheckpointUnanswered

A car crosses two crests at the same speed. One has a radius of curvature of \(20\,\text{m}\), the other \(80\,\text{m}\). At which crest is the normal force on the car smaller?

Leaving the road at a crest
Maths you need

How fast is too fast?

The formula \(N = mg - mv^2/R\) gives a smaller normal force at every higher speed. But a road can only push on a car. It cannot pull it down. So \(N\) can fall to zero and no further. When \(N = 0\), the weight alone does the whole centripetal job: \(mg = mv^2/R\). This gives the speed at which the car just loses its contact with the top of the hump.

\[ v = \sqrt{gR} \]

The mass has cancelled. A loaded lorry and a light scooter leave a hump at the same speed. At that speed a passenger on a scale reads zero: he is weightless for an instant, like a person in a freely falling lift. The children in the bus felt a small part of this feeling at the top of each rise.

The free-fall path from the top of a hump, against the roadA car is at the top of a hump of radius 20 metres, moving horizontally at speed v. The curve drawn from the car is the path it would follow if the road gave no push at all, a projectile path whose radius of curvature at the top is v squared over g. At 10 metres per second that path bends more sharply than the road and runs into it, so the road must push. At the square root of gR, 14.1 metres per second, the two curves match at the top. At 18 metres per second the free path lies above the road, and the car leaves the road.car, side view (silhouette) v v²/g = 10 m < R: the road pushes
Fig 2.2A car at the top of a hump of radius \(20\,\text{m}\), moving at speed \(v\). The blue curve is the path it would follow in free fall, with no push from the road. Its radius of curvature at the top is \(v^2/g\). Choose the chips: below \(\sqrt{gR}\) the free path dips into the road, so the road must push; at \(\sqrt{gR} = 14.1\,\text{m/s}\) the two curves match at the top; above it the free path lies above the road, and the car flies off.

The figure shows why the limit is \(\sqrt{gR}\). A body with no push from below falls like a projectile. The chapter on the kinematics of circular motion found the radius of curvature of a projectile at the top of its path: \(v^2/g\). If that radius is smaller than \(R\), the free path bends more sharply than the road, and the car presses on the road. If it is larger, the road falls away faster than the car falls. The car leaves the road. The two radii are equal when \(v^2/g = R\).

Checkpoint · numericUnanswered

An old humpback bridge has a radius of curvature of \(40\,\text{m}\) at its top. Take \(g = 10\,\text{m/s}^2\). Above what speed, in km/h, does a car lose contact with the top of the bridge?

km/h± 2 %
CheckpointUnanswered

A loaded truck three times as heavy as a car crosses the same hump. Compared with the car, the truck leaves the top of the hump at

Common mistake

In a dip there is no such speed limit, because the road can push as hard as needed. The danger in a dip is the opposite one: a very large \(N\). A fast car in a sharp dip can bottom out its springs or burst a tyre. So road builders limit the sharpness of dips as well as crests.

EstimateUnanswered

The top of a hump on an amusement-park ride has a radius of curvature of about \(10\,\text{m}\). Estimate the speed, in m/s, at which the riders feel weightless at the top.

m/srough value is enough
Checkpoint · in your own wordsUnanswered

The children on the back seat lift off at the top of a rise and are pressed down at the bottom of a dip. Explain why, with the forces on one child.

Exam traps
  1. Writing \(N = mg\) at the top of a hump because the speed is constant.
    A constant speed on a curve still means an acceleration \(v^2/R\) towards the centre. Write the net force along the radius.
  2. Getting the sign wrong in the dip.
    Ask where the centre is. Below the car: \(mg - N = mv^2/R\). Above the car: \(N - mg = mv^2/R\).
  3. Letting \(N\) become negative.
    A road only pushes. When the formula gives \(N < 0\), the car has already left the road; the limit is \(v = \sqrt{gR}\).